Pastor Olukunle Abraham Akinosun is the President of Christ Apostolic Church (CAC) Worldwide. In this interview with Senior Correspondent, Aramide Oikelome, he speaks on the crisis in CAC, the deal with the late Prophet Obadare and what the church is doing to end the crisis. Excerpts:
How long have you been on this seat as the president of CAC?
About two years now. I spent one year as General Superintendent before becoming the President.
What are the current challenges facing your administration on the unity of the church and how are you tackling them?
Since assuming office, I have faced several challenges, but none has been tougher than the power and enablement of our God. We have overcome them all. Glory be to God. If I start recounting how they were overcome, that will mean that I am ascribing the power to overcome to myself. But we thank God that the labour of our founding fathers on the unity of the church is not in vain. However, in 1990/1991, the leadership of the church then took bold steps to do some re-organization to instill sanity in the church. Some erring pastors then had to be disciplined. This did not go down well with some people and they took steps against the actions of our leaders.
They went to court and up till today, the case is in the Appeal Court. On March 1, 2011, there was a Federal High Court judgment, which recognized the General Executive Council as the only authentic authority in the affairs of CAC and its constitution in 1998. With that judgment, there is no other body recognized anywhere as the authority of the church. On our own part, we are praying for the erring ones and those outside of the fold to come back. We are being patient to enforce the ruling because we believe that as brothers, we should be able to solve this problem within ourselves. But like I said earlier, whether the devil and his human agents like it or not, our church will become one again.
Since you assumed the position of President of Christ Apostolic Church, how would you assess your set goals and the achievement recorded so far?
We give God all the glory for the achievements recorded so far. Though there are achievements in terms of the goals I set on assumption of office, most of the goals are ongoing things. For instance, I promised to continue developing our university, Joseph Ayo Babalola University (JABU), this is ongoing, considering the capital-intensive nature of university establishment. We want to give glory to God, our university was rated No 1 of private universities and 11th in Nigeria, and we have over 60 professors in JABU.
The special area of the university is entrepreneurship. When we were processing the establishment of the university, and NUC saw our programme and enforced it on all other private universities. The professors there are not new; they are retired professors. Because of that we have highly experienced lecturers.
Besides, the developmental projects in the church’s camp at Ikeji are also ongoing. My promise to develop staff through academic training and spiritual development is also ongoing. Our ministers now have opportunity to develop themselves academically through the university and our seminary. The re-organization of the church administrative structure is also on-going. We have done serious re-structuring in a bid to be more efficient and effective administratively.
I also promised to develop more income-yielding ventures, very soon this will manifest for all to see. The CAC TV project will soon materialize by the grace of God. What is delaying it is that we are fine-tuning all the loose ends. As soon as we are satisfied that we have tightened the loose ends, we shall take off. When we do, it will be clear to everybody that we know our onions.
But I must confess that the only area where we have had some challenges is the issue of CAC unity. Much as I promised to unite the church factions and I actually took steps that I consider humanly possible to achieve this, it seemed that some people are not interested in peace. They double-crossed us at every point and throw spanners in the works. But I know with prayers, God will unite the church.
What is your vision for the church?
Whenever I get somewhere, I’m not always comfortable until I leave that place better than I met it. In all my works in the past 40 years in all the areas I have worked, I have left them better than I met it that is my vision for the church. I am sure that when I leave the office, it will be better than I met it in all areas- talk of ministers, laymen, departments, etc all of those departments are going to be better than I met them.
By the grace of God, we are marching forward to greater glory. We shall continue to develop the prayer camp at Ikeji and all the developmental projects we have lined up will be accomplished to the glory of God. We shall continue to do our utmost best to see to the resolution of the 23-year old conflict in the church. Besides, we shall continue to look for, and establish alternative sources of income for the church.
Some of the church leaders are being called one name or the other by their members, this they do to show that these leaders are well respected. Is this not idolization?
General, district or regional overseers are biblical. But titles like your holiness, is like taking the position of God for oneself. I cannot bear such a title. There is Daddy GO or Papa, they call us Baba, though Jesus Christ said never call anyone your father but that is different from when you say somebody is your Baba. What Jesus said was that they should not arrogate the power of their creator to anybody, because they have only one father in heaven that cares for every need of His children.
How would you react to the recent trend in which young men are assuming the position of G.Os in churches?
It is a welcome development if the following conditions are met: a) the person who is the G. O. is truly a born again Christian; b) the Church is properly established; c) the motive is purely to expand Christ’s kingdom and is not for selfish or carnal intent. The last one is if the G. O. is genuinely called by God. I said this because it is not all churches that are properly established. Some churches are founded by taking away members from established church to form a new one, where the new founder, who might have served in that established church, now calls himself a G. O. That kind of church cannot be said to be properly established. You need to start on a clean slate. That is the biblical way of founding a church. The new G. O. may also be motivated by desire to have his own empire. That motive is selfish and contrary to the main motive of preaching salvation in Christ. Some G. O.s are goaded into that position by members of the church who tell them it is high time they established their own church. Such people are called by the members and not God. It is normal for people to obey their masters. Whoever calls a minister dictates to him the rules of engagement, that is, he will give him instructions to follow. Where self-aggrandizement calls a person into the ministry, you don’t expect anything less in that ministry than to fulfill that desire. But where somebody is on fire for God, you will see it in his actions. By their fruits you will know them. The young G. O.s should be genuine and no matter how good they are, they must have their own mentors to whom they report for mentoring from time to time.
What do you have to say on the state of the nation?
Our nation is in a very delicate state at the moment due to the selfishness of our politicians. As long as our politicians remain in power, they don’t care a hoot what happens to the people they are purported to be governing. They are always concerned about being in power. But for goodness sake, is the main essence of power not in caring for the interest of the people? But in our own case, our politicians begin to think of the next election immediately after they get to power. They leave the needs of the people unattended to. This is improper. The polity is heated up now because politicians are locked in agitation over which part of the country would produce the next president. They are not focusing on issues that affect the people. They are not offering alternative ideas on how best to solve the insecurity plague currently blighting our nation. Nobody is concerned enough to give us solution to the epidemic of kidnapping. Violent crimes are currently a malaise in all parts of the country, yet this doesn’t concern our politicians, neither is the issue of irregularity of power supply and the problem of youth unemployment their worry. The nation needs politicians who think first about the people.
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